28 Οκτ 2016

0438 Chromatics go back a long way to the invention of scales and pitch intervals.




Mozart goes on to use
 chromatic and whole tone scales
to outline fourths!!!



4 Σεπ 2014

Yip! You wouldn't believe how stuff like this gets glossed over
 when discussing Mozart, and then when Debussy goes on to do it,
 what d'ya know - he's a revolutionary!


Ehh Mozart's music revolutionary? 
He didn't lead a transition to the romantic period, 
he didn't change anything within the classical era. 
He was very influential to the revolutionaries though,
 just like Bach.


Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you.
 Outside of Opera, at least anyway. 
I've found that the majority of Mozart critique revolves
 around his perfecting of the Classical era 
while incorporating aspects of the Baroque within as well, 
and how it is all tied up in perfect harmony 
with perfect melodies etc. 

It's just that within all of that there are these astounding moments 
that no one before him ever thought of doing, 
and we can only lament that he didn't go on to develop 
those ideas further, e.g.

 the "10 tone-row interlude/transition" during the last movement of 

Symphony No. 40.


 There are other moments like this (that I've read about), 
but people are either unaware of them or just gloss over them 
because they only form a small,
 or minor, part of the work.



Debussy's music isn't considered revolutionary 


because it has chromatic and whole tone scales, 
it's because of the way he uses these techniques.


If you want revolutionary, listen to Gesualdo!


 (I suggest 'moro lasso'.) 

Chromaticism unlike anything else in his time 

(the renaissance era) 

and only equaled 2, perhaps even 3, centuries later.




Of course, chromatics go back a long way to the invention of scales 
and pitch intervals. I'm very aware of how and why Debussy's contribution
 is important - I guess I was in one of those reactionary moods

 in my original comment, 
but my follow up explains my position.


Thanks Piers - that's an interesting piece. 
Great to hear music I haven't heard before from so far back.



You're welcome. 






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